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Dissolvable Plastic | Should We Use it in Our Products?

When we develop products, we stick to these 3 principles:

  1. It has to biodegrade (that means it will decompose into reusable nutrients)
  2. It has to have an eco certification (meaning the ingredients that make our products are 3rd party accredited, so they are best in class for you and our planet)
  3. It’s gotta be plastic free (both to reduce the carbon footprint and, again, to biodegrade)

When we started developing our plastic free liquid dish soap, we wrestled with what plastic alternatives we could use to store it.

The first option we explored was PVOH, PVA, or PVAL - otherwise known as Polyvinyl alcohol.  

PVA/PVOH gained popularity with Dishwasher pods and has since been used to contain a variety of Dishwasher, Laundry detergents and Shampoos for a number of ‘eco brands’, including both 'pods' and also 'laundry sheets', which are becoming increasingly popular.  

PVA/PVOH is technically 'plastic' because it is pliable - bendy and stretchy - but it's not the same plastic as a plastic bag because of what happens to it when it contacts water.

Many companies claim PVA/PVOH is ‘biodegradable’, but when we started digging deeper, this ‘eco-claim’ wasn't so cut and dry.

Why?

PVOH DOESN’T ‘BIODEGRADE’ IT ‘DISSOLVES’

In our research, PVOH does not biodegrade so much as it dissolves into a "non-harmful" monomer, and while those molecules can biodegrade, the time it takes for them to actually biodegrade is a little foggy.  Years, decades, 100 years or more?  Our research wasn't able to provide any conclusive timelines. 

Advocates for PVOH say this is not a problem and it’s a lot better than having mounds of 'solid' plastic floating around the ocean, but it still is leaving ‘something’ behind.  We just don't yet know the impact - if any - of having increasing amounts of these molecules floating around our waterways.  That said, our research to date does not suggest that those molecules are what we you would think of as 'micro-plastics'.

PVOH IS OIL BASED = NOT CARBON NEUTRAL

The other challenge with PVOH is that it is derived from petrochemicals (oil based and therefore against dev principal 2).  That said, right now, it's really hard to avoid petrochemicals - hence why we are in the climate crisis we are currently in - because even most 'plant based' cleaners (including our own) contain small amounts of petrochemicals.  

 

WHY BEESWAX PODS?

Given the unknowns about biodegradation, long term impacts and the reliance on petrochemicals, we chose not to use PVA/PVOH and instead developed our own pod made from all natural materials.  Materials we were already familiar with from our other products - beeswax, soy wax and naturally occurring oils and resins.


What’s great about natural materials is that you don’t need a pile of research to figure out if they decompose - you can just toss them in the earth and know they'll go away.

BUT THERE'S A FLIP SIDE TO OUR BEESWAX PODS
  1. They cost moreR&D is time consuming and expensive.  We are still in the early stages of developing our pods and there are many improvements to be made - both from the design/materials and the manufacturing - and so that means we can't make them as cheaply as their PVA/PVOH counterparts.
  2. There is still 'waste': While the pods are natural and they can be repurposed, reused and composted, there is still 'waste' left behind.  PVOH on the other hand just dissolves.

When it comes to 'price', we did come up with a work around through the Plastic Free Club, but we feel that if we really want to make a change, we need to hit the MASSES and that requires a major drop in the price.  

And this has led us back to a core question.  Should we re-visit PVA/PVOH?

It’s definitely a step forward from traditional plastic, and we're already exploring an improvement that could see a similar film made without oil, but that is a couple years out (at best).  In the meantime, we are left deciding:

SHOULD WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP OUR OWN ‘WAX SOAP-PODS’ OR SHOULD WE INCORPORATE PVOH?  JOIN THE CONVERSATION, COMMENT BELOW.

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Comments


  • No. I think we need to search for solutions to get away from plastic or plastic-looking objects.
    A loaf of bread in a plastic-lined paper bag, is still captive in plastic— and you can’t pull the layers apart to recycle either one.
    I’ll pay more.

    Lauren W on
  • I think it would be great to offer both options for sale, to give customers a choice along with your description of both options, which I found was refreshingly transparent. I personally would continue to buy the wax pods, even if they are sold at a higher price point, because I do reuse and compost them. I also currently use PVOH in the form of pods for my laundry, although I would prefer an option without any petrol base to it and would switch to that if given the option. But as you stated for the purpose of 1) expanding your business, 2) funding further R&D, 3) providing a comparatively better option for a dish soap (or other product) containment system versus a more massive traditional plastic container, and 4) for increasing accessibility and reaching out to those individuals who are limited by personal cost apprehension, PVOH seems to be the much lesser of evils. Everything with our interaction with our environment should be weighed against our current options and certainly nothing is perfect, but given the cost/benefit balance of it all, I think PVOH is the way to go.

    As a side note, I did some quick lit review about the biodegradability and potential toxicity of PVOH, which seems to still have the ability to be broken down by certain strains of a water-bourne bacteria (Pseudomonas O-3), although the bacteria are not ubiquitous in the environment. I secondly thought it interesting in the case of somehow implementing these bacteria to work in public water treatment facilities to reduce the amount of intact PVOH monomers floating out in the world… just something interesting. I also found that, at least in rodent models delivered PVOH orally, it requires a very high dose to see any adverse effects (5 g/kg), and is poorly absorbed through the GI tract, which is reassuring. However, I was not able to find any research investigating the effects of potential scant bioaccumulation in body tissue on reproductive function. This may be due to the fact that it does not bioaccumulate significantly, or I just didn’t search deep enough. In any case, I think that would be important to address publicly, if the current state of research regarding biotoxicity is still unclear, and if you did or did not find any studies that seemed to suggest for or against.

    Elle Meisner on
  • I say go with the material we’re sure can bio-degrade. Go with the soap pods!

    Marlene on
  • Hello,
    I am a business consultant, so I know exactly where you must have arrived in term of enterprise’s life stage. Professionally speaking, I would say if the survival of your amazing organization depends on it. You could go with PVA/PVOH with the promess to put some of the earning back into research to come back with a better plant-based pod in a near future. Or you could continued to offer both, to leave the choice to your customers.

    However , personally as one of your early customer I would be disappointed that you start to compromised already. There will always be cheaper more attracting products “not-that-bad”.
    None of the guys that invented plastic and his millions usage said to themselves..“let’s destroy the planet”. They were just entrepreneur who where trying to compete to sell the products they believe would make life better for all of us, they were just trying to reach as much people as possible. They just saw an opportunity.

    I like your organization because you dare do different, you dare propose alternatives and you seems to really really care about our planet and the future of our children.

    I would love to see you guys find a way to avoid PVOH, but would be very sad to see you go.

    Josh W on
  • Thank you for taking the time to explain, think, educate and solicit input. I strongly believe that the R&D, cost and time to develop sustainable alternatives — the wax soap-pods, dehydrated strips (like is being done with laundry soap, or whatever follows is important if we are as a society to find a better way of being on this planet. While the dissolved waste is elemental, it is as much waste as the wax. And the waste generated in the manufacturing process is greater still. 9

    Mikel Gordon on


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